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RE: NLN Watch - RJS - 06-09-2022

(06-09-2022, 08:28 PM)Darran Wrote:  His win record is shocking. Yes he kept us up, but our squad looks miles away from being play-off contenders. He had the summer to get his own squad and the players he got in haven't really improved the squad. Apparently he said we were due to get someone in on loan on Monday but that has been and gone with no announcement. If it wasn't for the fact he was from Gloucester then he wouldn't be getting anywhere near the leeway he is getting given his record.

I'm not sure it's just the fact he's from Gloucester tbh. Even going back to the PG era I think there were people willing to give him more time (I was one and in hindsight probably wrong). Its often the way with these things that some people are more inclined to push the button, and others are will be more inclined to give people one game too many as opposed to one game to few.

We've had a lot of managers in recent history, other than Rowe we've been pretty much what we are now, if not worse. I do wonder if we need a reality check as to where we are as a club. I don't see how another manager comes in and we are all of a sudden a promotion challenger. I think it's going to have to be more organic.  

Germany pit a 10 year plan in place in the early 2000s that ultimately led to a world cup. If someone had torn that up because year 1 was crap then they would never of had the long term success.

That's not to say Mansell shouldn't be held to account, but constant regime change isn't the answer for me.

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RE: NLN Watch - Paul - 06-09-2022

(06-09-2022, 09:30 PM)RJS Wrote:  That's not to say Mansell shouldn't be held to account, but constant regime change isn't the answer for me.

I agree. Continuously changing managers is disruptive. That said, PG's appointment turned out to be a big mistake and he clearly had to go. Whilst we should be pushing for promotion, mid-table at the end of the season would be an improvement and something to build on. If we start heading into a relegation battle, then a rethink is required. But not yet - give LM time.

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RE: NLN Watch - Darran - 06-09-2022

The reality check is we have a pretty big budget that should be seeing as playoff contenders. The 90 minutes I witnessed first hand against Brackley in my view we are relegation contenders. Mansell has had plenty of time in the job and there has been little improvement let’s face it. Whilst we were away from Gloucester I was always prepared for a relegation battle because we were to some extent punching above our weight at the time. Now we are at home and have a decent budget we should expect better. Look at the crowd figures for our home games this season. That should also sound true alarm bells ringing.

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RE: NLN Watch - SHANDY LOVE MACHINE - 06-09-2022

Let him stay

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RE: NLN Watch - sctippins - 07-09-2022

I’ve tried my best to stay out of this going back on forth about managers in the past. Let’s be realistic at this level to succeed you need to be a good coach to develop talent, a good man manager to keep players motivated and have good connections at other clubs usually in the football league and local to help you out. Lee Mansell is that man, I’m not saying he is a 10 out of a 10 in each area but he has done enough, last year to get the shot this season, without fear of him ditching us for a league rival. We have won 3 and lost 4…. Liverpool have won 1, drawn 3 and lost 2, you won’t hear Liverpool fans after Jurgen Kloop sacking!

As for performance and budget…. Yes we have a good budget but it’s certainly not as much as Flyde, Kings Lynn or Kiddy but it *might* be in the top ten in the league.

Reports last year it was about 7,000 a week. There sounds like a lot but let’s break that down. We have on the books, 22 first team players. Let’s say they are paid from £300 a week (11,500 a year over 38 weeks) to £1,200 a week (45,680 a year). Those on the higher rates will include Kevin Dawson, Ben Nugent, Kennedy Digie let’s say between them it’s £3,000 a week that remaining £4,000 doesn’t stretch as far for the other 19 players. Then you’ve got Ben Morgan struggling with an injury, Lucas Tomlinson maybe not match fit. Plus a system that they used all preseason in 3-5-2 which they have had to change due to injuries. It’s hardly surprising….

What I’m trying to say is CALM…. Believe in the process, if we get into a position where relegation is possible then maybe a change at the top is required but that’s not the case and certainly not the type of reaction we need. At the same time until we spend like Flyde, Kings Lynn and Kiddy or have the ex league or Stadium name of Hereford or Chester etc to help attract names then we start moaning about a change as we are 14th in the league after 7 games.

Half glass full says we are two points from playoffs. Two winnable games coming up next in the league and then a winnable FA Cup game. We need the members of the COF to be supportive and back the team. Let’s get behind Manse and the boys and see where it takes us!

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RE: NLN Watch - bigdavethemaddog - 07-09-2022

as is always the question when a manager goes - who is available who is realistic, affordable and better?

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RE: NLN Watch - Tigermatty 2.0 - 07-09-2022

(07-09-2022, 04:58 AM)bigdavethemaddog Wrote:  as is always the question when a manager goes - who is available who is realistic, affordable and better?

Paul Cox, Paul Cox, and Paul Cox

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Tigermatty 2.0 - Tigermatty 2.0 - 07-09-2022

(07-09-2022, 12:49 AM)sctippins Wrote:  I’ve tried my best to stay out of this going back on forth about managers in the past. Let’s be realistic at this level to succeed you need to be a good coach to develop talent, a good man manager to keep players motivated and have good connections at other clubs usually in the football league and local to help you out. Lee Mansell is that man, I’m not saying he is a 10 out of a 10 in each area but he has done enough, last year to get the shot this season, without fear of him ditching us for a league rival. We have won 3 and lost 4…. Liverpool have won 1, drawn 3 and lost 2, you won’t hear Liverpool fans after Jurgen Kloop sacking!

As for performance and budget…. Yes we have a good budget but it’s certainly not as much as Flyde, Kings Lynn or Kiddy but it *might* be in the top ten in the league.

Reports last year it was about 7,000 a week. There sounds like a lot but let’s break that down. We have on the books, 22 first team players. Let’s say they are paid from £300 a week (11,500 a year over 38 weeks) to £1,200 a week (45,680 a year). Those on the higher rates will include Kevin Dawson, Ben Nugent, Kennedy Digie let’s say between them it’s £3,000 a week that remaining £4,000 doesn’t stretch as far for the other 19 players. Then you’ve got Ben Morgan struggling with an injury, Lucas Tomlinson maybe not match fit. Plus a system that they used all preseason in 3-5-2 which they have had to change due to injuries. It’s hardly surprising….

What I’m trying to say is CALM…. Believe in the process, if we get into a position where relegation is possible then maybe a change at the top is required but that’s not the case and certainly not the type of reaction we need. At the same time until we spend like Flyde, Kings Lynn and Kiddy or have the ex league or Stadium name of Hereford or Chester etc to help attract names then we start moaning about a change as we are 14th in the league after 7 games.

Half glass full says we are two points from playoffs. Two winnable games coming up next in the league and then a winnable FA Cup game. We need the members of the COF to be supportive and back the team. Let’s get behind Manse and the boys and see where it takes us!

The willingness to accept mediocrity in our fan base never fails to amaze me. Last season was our equal worst placed finish since our first season at this level. In the the majority of those seasons we had a budget that was probably less than half of what it is now, yet we managed to do better. Wake up and smell the coffee.

I’ve heard people say that the James Rowe season has given us unrealistic expectations and that it was a freak season. Absolute rubbish. What it proved was that with a manager who is willing to make sacrifices, use the budget effectively and has good connections, then we can be a top five club at this level. As much as I don’t like the bloke, JR put in place a well executed strategy and it worked. That’s the benchmark now, no excuses. On to the next match and we better see an improvement.

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RE: Tigermatty 2.0 - sctippins - 07-09-2022

(07-09-2022, 09:18 AM)Tigermatty 2.0 Wrote:  The willingness to accept mediocrity in our fan base never fails to amaze me. Last season was our equal worst placed finish since our first season at this level. In the the majority of those seasons we had a budget that was probably less than half of what it is now, yet we managed to do better. Wake up and smell the coffee.

I’ve heard people say that the James Rowe season has given us unrealistic expectations and that it was a freak season. Absolute rubbish. What it proved was that with a manager who is willing to make sacrifices, use the budget effectively and has good connections, then we can be a top five club at this level. As much as I don’t like the bloke, JR put in place a well executed strategy and it worked. That’s the benchmark now, no excuses. On to the next match and we better see an improvement.

Its not mediocrity, last two home performances have been poor but the other two home performance, plus away at Hereford and all preseason has been postive. We have to be realistic….

As for Paul Cox…. Tell me about this proven track record since he left Mansfield EIGHT years ago? Take a look at his win percentage and what he has achieved since then? There is a reason he is managing in the NLN and not the National League or League Two. 

Performances aside, another way I’m looking at it (again glass half full) what happens if we lost to Hereford but drew against Brackley, Blyth and Curzon (3-0 isn’t a reflection on the game, each goal we weren’t exactly played off the pitch by them). We would have been on the same amount of points and a slightly better goal difference.

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RE: Tigermatty 2.0 - Prorsum Semper - 07-09-2022

(07-09-2022, 09:18 AM)Tigermatty 2.0 Wrote:  The willingness to accept mediocrity in our fan base never fails to amaze me. Last season was our equal worst placed finish since our first season at this level. In the the majority of those seasons we had a budget that was probably less than half of what it is now, yet we managed to do better. Wake up and smell the coffee.

I’ve heard people say that the James Rowe season has given us unrealistic expectations and that it was a freak season. Absolute rubbish. What it proved was that with a manager who is willing to make sacrifices, use the budget effectively and has good connections, then we can be a top five club at this level. As much as I don’t like the bloke, JR put in place a well executed strategy and it worked. That’s the benchmark now, no excuses. On to the next match and we better see an improvement.

Some very valid points,LM has played down his budget but when you compare the job that Harris, Richards and Boris did with half the budget we should be doing better,JR didn't have a coaching set up or even and he took us to the top playing attacking football.
In LM defense his only experience in coaching is as Bristol Rovers U18 so he still has a lot to learn and won't have the contacts that JR had.
The pressure will be really on if they don't take minimum 4 points from the next 2 games looking at the opposition, hopefully we will and we go on to get near the play offs which is the objective I believe.

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