Super League
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It's been coming.... Finally certain clubs have publicly announced that they put money before fans,Hope this doesn't happen but I worry it could, throwing away so much history and values of what football is really about.
Hopefully people will start to follow their local club more now knowing that real football still exists.
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(19-04-2021, 12:30 PM)Prorsum Semper Wrote:  It's been coming.... Finally certain clubs have publicly announced that they put money before fans,Hope this doesn't happen but I worry it could, throwing away so much history and values of what football is really about.
Hopefully people will start to follow their local club more now knowing that real football still exists.
Wrong name for it - should be called Greed League. The owners of the six 'English' clubs have absolutely no connection to football in this country except financial. 

If this comes to pass the clubs should be thrown out of English football altogether and their players banned from all international matches.

Rant over!
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#3

It will be a runaway success. Clubs won't be banned from their domestic leagues.

It's the big clubs that have the power, not the leagues or FA's.

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#4

Don’t agree Neil. Who actually cares about the European Cup now. Only shown on BT sport who outbid Sky. Haven’t watched a game for years. Only of interest to the finalists. It will go the same way as boxing. Pay to view if you are interested. Can remember my Dad enjoying his boxing on the BBC amateur and Professional now it only appears during the Olympics. Can’t see all those season ticket holders at Premier Clubs being able to afford them after all will it include their new competition at the same price for the season. Will these die hard super supporters have the bottle or money to say enough is enough.
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#5

I can't help but think this is just one massive bluff by the big clubs to try and get the reforms they want for the Champs League.  As much as I hate the idea, and hope that it never sees the light of day, I actually don't blame the clubs, or to an extent understand it.  They have a duty to look after their business, and even with the fan outcry it will almost certainly be good for business.  I imagine it also got to a point where the fear of missing the boat drove some clubs to sign up.  This comes down to the pretty much all the issues we have been seeing recently at all levels - governance.  Whether its giving clubs no power at all, or all the power like in this case in pretty much comes down to a lack of proper oversight.

Makes you envy the fan ownership structure in Germany which has in effect stopped them from being able to sign up to this.
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(19-04-2021, 02:46 PM)Neil Wrote:  It will be a runaway success. Clubs won't be banned from their domestic leagues.

It's the big clubs that have the power, not the leagues or FA's.
Why won't clubs be banned from their domestic league  ?If they set  up a 20 team euro super league they won't be allowed to play in both leagues.Who would want to risk being relegated from a supper league and have to reapply to start at the sixths level ,if kicked out of our premier league for joining a  to bit S /league.
If they join kick them out.
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#7

Unfortunately Neil's correct in saying it will be a huge success,but what will happen is the clubs who play in it will have such big income the premier League will become like la Liga or the Scottish prem where only 2 or 3 teams will ever win,I heard a team gets 80 million for winning the champions but all teams in this new League will get 400 million just for being in it.
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(19-04-2021, 03:19 PM)graymim Wrote:  Don’t agree Neil. Who actually cares about the European Cup now. Only shown on BT sport who outbid Sky. Haven’t watched a game for years. Only of interest to the finalists. It will go the same way as boxing. Pay to view if you are interested. Can remember my Dad enjoying his boxing on the BBC amateur and Professional now it only appears during the Olympics. Can’t see all those season ticket holders at Premier Clubs being able to afford them after all will it include their new competition at the same price for the season. Will these die hard super supporters have the bottle or money to say enough is enough.

When the money finally has dried up owner's won't think twice about ditching a  club and put their money in to the next new money making thing where they can rip off more money from things the fans of other sports other fan's love to watch???
100% not in any way a dig at our club's owners, but what I believe is happening at the biggest clubs in this country, with owners or companies from abroad ,more interested in their accounts then the sport.
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#9

Clubs still intend to remain in the Premier and will obviously use this league as a reserve league for up and coming players and injury returnees. Armchair premier watchers will no longer be able to see the creme de la creme players as they will be playing mid week in the Super League. It will obviously give more places to better players but will have a detrimental effect on the lower leagues. I saw the interview with the Wolves guy who welcomed it as it will give the middle order clubs chance of winning the Premier but that will not add up as the billions on offer will still allow the super clubs to purchase the best and dominate the League much like the FA cup where they roll the dice until the semis when the big gun players arrive.
It will be nice to welcome the disillusioned to non league soccer.
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(19-04-2021, 04:04 PM)Grey beard Wrote:  When the money finally has dried up owner's won't think twice about ditching a  club and put their money in to the next new money making thing where they can rip off more money from things the fans of other sports other fan's love to watch???
100% not in any way a dig at our club's owners, but what I believe is happening at the biggest clubs in this country, with owners or companies from abroad ,more interested in their accounts then the sport.
I am going to be slightly controversial here.  I actually want the owners of a football club to be more interested in the accounts than the sport.  We all know what can go wrong when you chase on field success without any view to the finances.  The problem is that it makes absolute financial sense from the individual clubs perspective to guarantee themselves as much income as possible, and this is a vehicle for doing that, and if you can do that without even having to have on field success it would be tantamount to not fulfilling your fiduciary duty to not explore that.  What you therefore need is governance that stops clubs being any to cannibalise the sport.  Similar to the way that the competition commission is meant to stop firms like Tesco getting to big so that your corner shop can survive (albeit we can all have an opinion on how successful that is as well).

I also saw an analogy somewhere else which compared this to the power grab Kerry Packer made with cricket, and there are definite similarities.  If you look back though in many ways Kerry Packer helped modernize cricket, and the game would not have progressed in the same way without it (mind you if that meant not having The Hundred that might not necessarily be a bad thing).  Given this I do hold out a tiny little bit of hope, therefore, that this is a road to Damascus type moment, and it needs something utterly **** like the European Super League for football to finally look at proper reform.  That said I am pretty sure I said a similar thing re the pandemic not so long ago so maybe its just another cul-de-sac rather than a road to Damascus.
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