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(09-02-2024, 12:30 AM)Neil Wrote:  Didn't Alex post something a while back criticising people who were telling him how to spend his money? I know there's the old football phrase about the Chairman getting his cheque book out when fans wanted players to sign but I don't understand how people can come on here telling someone else how to spend their money.
Exactly this!
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#32

I actualy agree with Darran.
AP and EM got rid of PC I thought to save the
club from going into the SLP, well it fast appears to be happening, perhaps because players will nor sign for the club as was eluded to, but as it turns out they may well have left the Chambers in charge but the abuse would have been unbearable for the Chambers.
It's not for us to tell anyone how to spend their money but club owners at ALL levels get this problem with fans expecting a level of success and hoping to get new owners to invest and be debt free.....
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#33

To my thinking City were basically a "new" club four seasons ago when we came back home and the ground was constructed. At that point we would  have those construction costs and anything owed whilst away on our travels for 14 years.So with AP coming in we were basically starting again. The COVID season was a tragedy and I'm sure cost AP and EM money in the end. I understand that. The issue I'd have is IF as rumoured there are debts amounted from the running costs over the past three seasons that could and should have been avoided. I know we went full time and AP dreamt big. That was an extra cost that you would hope was budgeted for and they were prepared to inject the extra cash to cover. If that wasn't the case then that was a gamble that should not have been taken if they really couldn't afford it. 
If we'd remained part time for the past four seasons and only a proportion of the money AP and EM "blew" dreaming big had been trickled into a sustainable club I doubt we'd be top of the league, but we'd have been in a much healthier position than we are now. Again "if" there's all these other debts hanging around as rumoured,  that's where bad business accusations can be made. As I said before I'd hope next year's season ticket will pay for next year's costs and not last year's electricity bill.
I'll shut up now but any clarification or obvious errors I've made in this thinking please point out.
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#34

In my simple mind the ideal scenario feels like a 'handover' season between AP/EMG and the Chambers would've been ideal. Leave AP and EMG to manage the transition from full-time to part-time and building a competitive squad while the Chambers managed the matchday experience etc. until taking full control the following season (or during the season if things were going to plan). Probably not something that any party would've wanted but looking back I would be interested to know if it would've worked.
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#35

(09-02-2024, 10:09 AM)MrMatt Wrote:  In my simple mind the ideal scenario feels like a 'handover' season between AP/EMG and the Chambers would've been ideal. Leave AP and EMG to manage the transition from full-time to part-time and building a competitive squad while the Chambers managed the matchday experience etc. until taking full control the following season (or during the season if things were going to plan). Probably not something that any party would've wanted but looking back I would be interested to know if it would've worked.
This is exactly what should’ve happened, if you were talking about someone who could handle not having complete control

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#36

(09-02-2024, 05:33 AM)Mr.Magoo Wrote:  To my thinking City were basically a "new" club four seasons ago when we came back home and the ground was constructed. At that point we would  have those construction costs and anything owed whilst away on our travels for 14 years.So with AP coming in we were basically starting again. The COVID season was a tragedy and I'm sure cost AP and EM money in the end.  
We very likely still have the 6 figure Sport England Covid grant to repay:  I believe that repayment was deferred till 2025.
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#37

Did we take the grant? That was the second payment that wasn't given away and argued over by those clubs who thought they should get more because they got bigger crowds wasn't it?

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#38

Yes I believe we did. And you're right, the allocation was pretty arbitrary and some clubs felt very hard done by.
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#39

(09-02-2024, 05:33 AM)Mr.Magoo Wrote:  To my thinking City were basically a "new" club four seasons ago when we came back home and the ground was constructed. At that point we would  have those construction costs and anything owed whilst away on our travels for 14 years.So with AP coming in we were basically starting again. The COVID season was a tragedy and I'm sure cost AP and EM money in the end. I understand that. The issue I'd have is IF as rumoured there are debts amounted from the running costs over the past three seasons that could and should have been avoided. I know we went full time and AP dreamt big. That was an extra cost that you would hope was budgeted for and they were prepared to inject the extra cash to cover. If that wasn't the case then that was a gamble that should not have been taken if they really couldn't afford it. 
If we'd remained part time for the past four seasons and only a proportion of the money AP and EM "blew" dreaming big had been trickled into a sustainable club I doubt we'd be top of the league, but we'd have been in a much healthier position than we are now. Again "if" there's all these other debts hanging around as rumoured,  that's where bad business accusations can be made. As I said before I'd hope next year's season ticket will pay for next year's costs and not last year's electricity bill.
I'll shut up now but any clarification or obvious errors I've made in this thinking please point out.

A very good point. I've seen this same cycle since the 90s days of Keith Gardener chasing "the dream". Gamble on going up, miss out, club lumped with debts. You see clubs in the Championship doing this then dropping down the leagues, it's a numbers game with too many teams chasing too few promotion spots (before we even get to null and void...). 

AP championed his "Don't go bust, don't go down" mantra yet here we are, and for me that deserves explanation and reassurance about what comes next. What we need is a long term, sustainable growth plan regardless of what league we are in. Relying on individuals putting their hands in their pockets has not worked in the past and we need to learn our lessons from that. 

Look at the teams that are doing well throughout football. They have a plan, they have a style played from youth team to first team, they have a succession plan for players and managers. Let's learn from them and replicate that. Growth has to be sustainable, there needs to be a long term plan, and we all have to be involved and engaged with it. The current mess and silence is so far away from that, yet again.

Despite all this, I don't see relegation as all doom and gloom. I'll continue to come along, as will my mates, and it doesn't really matter who the opposition is. It's not like the teams we're playing at the moment are household names apart from the occasional Hereford or Chester. Focus on making a day at the footy a good day out, have some entertaining attacking football on display and win more than we lose and we'll get people through the gates.
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(09-02-2024, 02:45 PM)Kingsway Casual Wrote:  A very good point. I've seen this same cycle since the 90s days of Keith Gardener chasing "the dream". Gamble on going up, miss out, club lumped with debts. You see clubs in the Championship doing this then dropping down the leagues, it's a numbers game with too many teams chasing too few promotion spots (before we even get to null and void...). 

AP championed his "Don't go bust, don't go down" mantra yet here we are, and for me that deserves explanation and reassurance about what comes next. What we need is a long term, sustainable growth plan regardless of what league we are in. Relying on individuals putting their hands in their pockets has not worked in the past and we need to learn our lessons from that. 

Look at the teams that are doing well throughout football. They have a plan, they have a style played from youth team to first team, they have a succession plan for players and managers. Let's learn from them and replicate that. Growth has to be sustainable, there needs to be a long term plan, and we all have to be involved and engaged with it. The current mess and silence is so far away from that, yet again.

Despite all this, I don't see relegation as all doom and gloom. I'll continue to come along, as will my mates, and it doesn't really matter who the opposition is. It's not like the teams we're playing at the moment are household names apart from the occasional Hereford or Chester. Focus on making a day at the footy a good day out, have some entertaining attacking football on display and win more than we lose and we'll get people through the gates.
.....and we just might lose our inferiority complex en route. Well said!
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